Podcast
Who is this for?
This podcast is for anyone whose faith has shaped how they see the world—especially if what you were taught about Israel, Palestine, and the Bible left you with more questions than answers.
Whether you’re still in the church, have left evangelicalism, or are trying to engage family and friends shaped by it, we create space to wrestle honestly with scripture, history, and justice.
Through personal stories, friendships, and witness trips, we explore how faith traditions have often kept us from seeing suffering—and how they can be reimagined toward peace, dignity, and liberation for all.
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Meet Your Hosts
Barnabas Lin
Barnabas is an evangelical minister, preacher, and scholar passionate about reclaiming the Christian faith as a source of healing and peace.
Raised in global evangelicalism in Singapore and Hong Kong, he spent over a decade with InterVarsity Christian Fellowship, discipling students, shaping the 2018 Urbana Missions Conference, and training young ministers. His journey into Israel-Palestine began through close friendships with Jewish and Palestinian peers, which led him into witness trips, interfaith dialogue, and deep wrestling with how evangelical formation can obscure suffering.
Today, Barnabas serves as Theologian in Residence at Bethel Community Presbyterian Church while completing a PhD in Theological Ethics at Fuller Seminary. On this podcast, he brings pastoral experience, academic insight, and a love for Scripture to help Christians engage Israel and Palestine with courage and compassion.
Erna Kim Hackett
Erna Kim Hackett is a founder, preacher, and theologian committed to building spaces of renewal and faith.
Raised in the Korean immigrant church, she spent two decades with InterVarsity Christian Fellowship and directed worship for Urbana 2015. After serving as Executive Pastor at The Way Christian Center in Berkeley, her journey with Israel and Palestine began through study and a witnessing trip that reshaped her commitments to faith and justice.
Erna is the founder of Liberated Together, a community for women of color exploring theology, and the Liberated Together Spiritual Direction School, which equips women of color for spiritual accompaniment. She holds a Master’s in Intercultural Studies and lives in the Bay Area with her husband of 19 years.
Visiting the old city in Jerusalem
Visiting a farm outside of Bethlehem
Barnabas and Erna have been friends and ministry co-workers for the last 8 years. This podcast is anchored in their friendship and journey as co-learners.
Outside of Jerusalem
